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While top representatives from each country...
were convening at the UN to discuss global peace-keeping and security,
despite the lack of any official recognition,
the self-appointed G's from around the world are convening...
for the peace-keeping and security of global youths,
hence the Non-Summit Meeting.
We shall begin the session.
I'm the Chairman of Non Summit Meeting, Jun Hyun-moo.
- I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon. - I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
- We are Junyoosung! - We are Junyoosung!
(Welcome to Non Summit Meeting, representatives.)
Today is a day that's closely related to us.
Today has been internationally celebrated to commemorate the convening...
of the representatives from around the world.
- Today is United Nations Day. - Congratulations.
(Congratulations, everyone.)
- We should have a get-together. - That's right.
- Today is closely related to us. - Yes.
- It's our birthday. - You're right.
It's a celebration day for us.
Not long ago, I met Pakistani ambassador to Korea by chance.
I told him about Zahid.
I told him that not many Koreans know much about Pakistan...
and that this amazing Pakistani guy is on our show and promoting his country.
- He said he already knows. - Right.
We learned a lot about Pakistan, thanks to Zahid.
We all know that India and Pakistan aren't on good terms.
- You guys argue every week. - He also said, "There is an Indian guy, too."
(The Indian guy)
- He said he enjoys watching our show. I was really happy. - Great.
Many ambassadors enjoy watching our show.
Even the Indian ambassador got to know me through this show.
He treated me to a meal when I first met him.
- I see. - The Canadian ambassador asked me to come watch a hockey game with him.
Really? Then what happened?
I was in New Zealand back then. I was shooting "Where Is My Friend's Home".
I think he will call me pretty soon.
So you rejected the ambassador's proposal, right?
You were too busy.
- I'm sorry ambassador. - I will call you back after checking my schedule.
(I will be waiting for your phone call, ambassador.)
(He actually received a phone call from the ambassador.)
("Alberto receives an Order of Merit from the Italian government.")
It's time to cover each representative's issues and share diverse opinions.
We discuss all global issues by saying yes or no.
It's Global Side Dishes Time. "What Is So Important?"
(Global Side Dishes Time. "What Is So Important?")
Christian from Mexico will present today's issue.
World's first "three-parent baby" was born in Mexico, and it's causing a stir.
The medical association has announced that the technique is...
a revolutionary method, which enables the patients with hereditary disease...
to have a healthy child.
But there are debates on life ethics.
So I want to bring up this issue and ask for your opinion.
They separate the nucleus from the birth mother's ovum...
then insert the nucleus to the egg provider's ovum after removing the nucleus.
Then the egg cells are fertilized with the father's sperm.
Is this legal in Mexico?
There is no law that controls this matter at the moment.
So Americans came to Mexico and tried this new method.
In America, this is illegal.
This is an organization that's located in the center of Manhattan.
They're called New Hope Fertility Center. This couple visited the center,
but it was illegal in America, so they went to Mexico to try the new method.
It's still illegal in America.
The baby's mother had a gene...
that causes Leigh Syndrome.
So she miscarried her baby 4 times within 10 years.
She gave birth to two babies,
but they died from this disease.
This is good news for infertile couples with hereditary disease,
but like you said, there are issues of life ethics.
Are you for or against the gene manipulation to create healthy babies?
Press the button if you're against it.
One, two, three. Press the button.
Press the button if you're against it.
- Zahid and Mark... - Everyone supports the idea except two people.
Zahid, why are you against it?
I think...
the baby is not only the couple's child.
There's the third parent,
so the baby is the creation of three parents.
- So there are 2 mothers? - Yes, there are 2 mothers.
If there's only one mother, she can say the baby is her child.
This baby is the creation of three parents.
Why is it important?
Shouldn't they be loving the baby as their own child?
This method is not scientifically proven yet,
and the technique can create new problems, too.
This method is not fully proven yet.
It can also create identity problems.
Because the baby will grow up...
and think about who the real mother is.
You're talking about identity problems. That is the very reason...
why they didn't adopt a child and tried to give birth to their own baby.
Have you ever thought from the mother's perspective?
The 3rd mother... I mean the 2nd...
But that was the choice that the mothers made.
I want to say this to Zahid.
You asked if he's ever thought from the mother's perspective.
You should ask yourself that question.
She tried to give birth six times but failed.
I'm sure she was devastated.
This technique was probably their last resort.
It's not like they wanted a baby with red hair.
I'm against it but for a different reason.
Actually, the DNA from the second mother...
will be inherited through mitochondria, which is not really significant.
I think the baby's identity won't be a big issue here.
- But you made your second point, which was about safety of the technique. - Yes.
- I think this new method can create unexpected problems. - Right.
This can be really...
You don't know what will happen when this baby grows up and gives birth.
You don't even know what this baby will have to go through.
I think mere concerns...
shouldn't be stopping scientific progress.
Mark is actually right. We don't know what will happen.
Even the new techniques for knee surgery...
are continuously developed.
But you only find out about the side effects after certain time passes.
That's one thing that we have to think about.
Lucky just mentioned about knee surgery.
We can't just think about gene manipulation for babies.
People get surgeries for many other reasons.
Some people are born without their arms and legs.
They use fake arms and legs, right?
It's not much different from this matter.
If a mother can't give birth due to her gene that can cause health problems,
there's no reason for us to oppose...
the new technique that involves gene manipulation.
But that's different. We're not talking about a foot injury...
- and a plastic leg that one can attach. - No...
- I mean... - That's just a plastic leg.
We're talking about world's first...
- "three-parent baby". - How about this?
That's what we're talking about.
Adults can make choices for themselves,
but the baby has no other choice but to be born.
If you think about it, I didn't make a choice when I was born.
- That's right. - I agree with you.
You give birth and raise the baby because of love.
What has it got to do with genes? We're all in this world by chance.
My parents didn't plan which baby they'll give birth to when they got married.
You're born by chance.
I think genes are not important at all.
Things can happen either as planned or accidentally.
(Laughing)
When things happen by chance,
we can't really make a choice.
It can only be decided by the divine power, but it's meant to happen.
From what I see,
we can rely on the divine power for our fate.
I think it's okay for us to create our own fate, too.
- We can rely on the divine power or ourselves. - Developing these techniques...
is a huge breakthrough achieved by people.
I don't think we should talk about whether it's okay or not okay.
I think it's causing a stir because it's a new technique.
- So people talk about their concerns. - Right.
People can only oppose when they're not certain about things.
I think it should be legalized later.
The problem is that we have to be really careful about this.
We need to establish regulations that can cover all possibilities.
That's what we need to do.
- Because human greed is endless. - Right.
This new method can be misused...
to make the babies grow taller.
- They can manipulate the genes for that. - That's possible.
Some would want their child to have blue eyes, too.
That's why I'm against it.
He just said it should be legalized later,
but I think we need to be extremely cautious.
Actually, the Mexican government...
didn't give much thought into this matter.
Mexico is known as the "wild west" when it comes to regulations and laws.
"Wild west" means...
that there aren't laws that govern various matters.
It's a matter of creating new lives by manipulating genes.
We're in the stage of whether we'll let this happen or not.
It's something scary and difficult.
Infertile couples choose surrogate motherhood...
as an alternative to have a baby.
India, where surrogate motherhood is legal,
recently made a law regarding this matter.
Yes, a research shows that about 5,000 babies...
are born through surrogate motherhood every year in India.
It costs about 100,000 dollars in the US.
It only costs 8,000 dollars in India,
according to a research.
Many incidents happened in India recently.
So the law has been revised.
Surrogate motherhood is only allowed to couples who are married...
for fives years or longer, and to couples with no other issues.
To same-sex couples and foreigners,
surrogate motherhood is not allowed legally.
Some NGOs brought up the issues like women's human rights.
Some argued the system is exploiting women. It has caused a stir.
In China, surrogate motherhood is illegal.
The preference for male offspring is widespread in China,
so people run illegal businesses regarding this.
They say they can make the mother carry a male baby.
It costs about 200,000 dollars.
They charge 250,000 dollars for male twins.
- Wow. - Wow.
- Let's hear their opinions. - Let's do that.
Are you for or against surrogate motherhood?
If you support the idea, please raise your hand.
- One, two, three. - Zahid, Alberto...
- and Niklas... - Everyone supports the idea except them.
I think we need to regulate this.
Like Lucky said,
if people want to be a surrogate mother to make money,
babies' safety can't be secured.
Blood donation in many countries also started...
as a means of making money.
Now, it's become illegal to make money with it in many countries.
When they fill out the forms,
you can't have a pre-existing illness.
They would write down they don't have any pre-existing conditions...
and end up giving contaminated blood.
Conclusively,
I believe it needs to be managed with the highest standards.
It needs to be regulated and keep from becoming marketed.
I also had the same opinions as Mark.
However, I researched the topic after hearing about it in the news.
There was a study done on women who had given surrogate births.
It turns out there are so many who need it.
The reason for this is that women in India who become surrogates...
work all day in the field and yet,
- they only make 1.6 dollars. - 1.6 dollars?
- Yes. - A day?
For these women, they can earn the money they'd make in 10 years...
in only 9 months.
Rather than say whether this is good or bad,
it's not something we can judge...
by hearing just one side of the story.
- Lucky is right. - Yes.
Aureilien agreed? That's a first.
Actually, this is a problem because...
wages are so low. That's what we have to change.
For example, once the minimum wage situation is improved,
- they should do it for free. - For free?
Yes, I think it would be better to do it for free.
That's how it's done in Canada.
It's legal and the surrogate does it as an act of charity. They can't be paid.
They're legally not allowed to get paid.
It's an act of good will.
Isn't a surrogate relationship a mutually beneficial situation?
It's a win-win situation. People who aren't part of the situation...
are just throwing in their personal opinions.
How can you say it's a win-win situation?
They're paying someone for a service.
I think it's a bit scary to put it that way.
It's not the kind of transaction where you buy something you want for a set price.
It's related to life, health, and ethics.
I think Nick is in opposition.
A surrogate is a person who you hire for money.
- It's like your ordering a person. - An order.
- It's true. - It's a crude way to put it.
However, adopting a child will truly help another person.
However, having a surrogate is just creating another person.
The result is the same.
In the end, the family wants to have a baby.
There may be various complications.
For instance, a couple...
may try their best to have a child but fail in the end.
In these kinds of situations, a bald... - You mean surrogate.
Through these surrogates,
We were talking about something quite serious....
and then you had to change the mood by making a blooper.
Through a surrogate, the couple gets to have...
the chance to have a baby. It's useful in that sense.
- That's all. - How is that different from adopting?
I understand if a couple decides on a surrogate for not being able to conceive,
but it's not easy to have a child in one's body for 10 months...
and then have to give it away after birth.
- It's no different from one's own child. - Not being able to conceive a child...
- is an incredible stress for women. - Have you experienced this?
- No. - According to some research, the surrogate doesn't always...
feel so distressed when she gives away her child.
- I can't believe that. - That could be the one exception.
- That's because Alberto has experienced child birth recently. - You're all wrong.
I strongly oppose the method.
Of course, everyone would want to have their own child with their own genes.
However, I believe we need to respect the ways of nature.
Also, a pregnancy is an incredibly serious process.
The entire body changes, as well as the body's hormones.
Of course, the surrogate can make money,
but I don't think it's right, no matter how much money they make.
Also, there's also a relationship that develops with the mother...
when the child is in the womb.
It's an important step that the parents should be a part of.
However, this is not possible through a surrogate.
If we look at it from an opposite angle,
The child will have its mother...
and its biological mother.
Many may also find that difficult to bear.
In the US, there's been a big controversy...
when surrogate...
wanted to keep the baby...
after the baby was born.
- It's hard to separate. - However, the mother had already paid her...
and told her to leave. It's cause for a lot of disputes.
Let's discuss the various controversies that arose as a result of surrogates.
- Let's start with India. - There's the Manji case in India.
A Japanese couple came to India and tried to have a baby through a surrogate...
because the woman wasn't able to give birth.
The child didn't have any of the mother's genes.
- There's none at all? - Yes.
Since the woman couldn't have a child,
they took the man's DNA...
and impregnated a surrogate.
They ended up getting divorced before the birth.
The woman refused to take responsibility for the baby...
since it didn't have her genes.
The man gave up at first,
but later he decided to bring the child to Japan.
However, the man isn't able to have...
a child by himself, right?
There was a legal hurdle.
It caused a very big problem at both sides of the embassies.
I think the change in the relevant laws...
was heavily influenced by the Manji case.
Surrogacy is illegal in Japan.
That's why a lot of couples go abroad for a surrogate.
There was a controversial case in 2014 when a couple hired a surrogate...
in Thailand.
They had hired a total of 13 surrogates...
and they gave birth to 16 babies.
The father is a young, 24 year-old man.
When asked why he had so many children,
he said it's the one thing he could do for the world...
and that's having as many babies as possible.
In order to spread his DNA?
Does he also raise the children?
He doesn’t raise them.
(An additional three babies were found in Cambodia.)
It's unfortunate that people who really need surrogates...
don't get to have a child because of bad cases like this.
I hear that sperm banks are very popular in China.
Yes. There are a lot of sterile couples in China.
There are a lot of clinics.
Another reason for the popularity...
has to do with the one-child policy.
However, if a couple gives birth to twins,
it's not illegal.
That's why some people used the technology to induce the birth of twins.
The Chinese people also have a general preference for boys,
so they would go to the clinics to give birth to a boy.
I hear there's a standard for the sperm donors.
Yes, they have to have a bachelor's degree.
It's a minimum requirement to be a donor.
- Men who don't go to college can't even donate? - Isn't that discrimination?
In each region, the value of individual sperm...
is quite different, ranging from 50 to 1,000 dollars.
- In each region? - Yes.
Still, since it's a lucrative business,
there are always people who are willing to donate.
From DNA modification to surrogacy, these issues present a class...
between technological advancement and reproductive life.
Clear regulations and social understanding needs to be established.
That's all for "What Is So Important?". Stay tuned for next week's topic.
(Non-Summit Meeting)
It's time to introduce today's Non-Summit representative.
She's well known as the "Monday Woman" and she's finally joining us this Monday.
I think that's enough to know who I'm talking about.
Who will it be?
It's actress, Song Ji-hyo.
(The 121th Non-Summit Representative is Song Ji-hyo.)
Hello!
- Hello. - Hello.
(Pretty)
- Hello, I'm Song Ji-hyo. - Hello. Have a seat.
(Welcome.)
I know you're always around a group of guys in your show "Running Man".
Isn't it awkward to be surrounded by this many men?
- Yes. - How is it?
It's really awkward. I'm quite nervous and anxious.
We're the ones that are nervous.
I really like Divine Yu.
- I remember something he said. - I've never heard a Mexican say "Divine Yu".
What he said was that...
of all the actresses he's seen,
Song Ji-hyo is the prettiest.
- He said that? - Yes, that's why I've been looking forward to today.
- What do you think now that you've seen her in person? - She's really beautiful.
Thank you.
The pressure is so intense with everyone looking at me.
Who else would we look at?
Don't worry. Once we begin the discussion, they'll be too busy arguing.
I hear Wang Xinlin's second favorite celebrity is Song Ji-hyo.
Really? Who's your most favorite celebrity?
- Kim Tae-hee... - Kim Tae-hee.
Still, I'm so honored to meet you.
I'll die a happy man.
- How honest. - He said he'll die a happy man.
She's incredibly popular in China.
Don't you have fans waiting for you at the airport when you go to China?
- I'm sure she does. - It's not only me. They do that for all other celebrities.
In China, the number of followers on...
a Chinese social media site added to 4.75 million.
Wow.
- Do you have to take a picture with one of the members on the show? - Yes.
- Who? - Aureilien.
(Me?)
(An air of triumph)
You shouldn't wear make-up, then.
My sister is a really big fan of Aureilien. She asked me...
to take a picture with him.
- Is she a younger sister? - Yes.
Rather than take...
a picture, why don't the three of us get dinner?
(Really?)
- You're making yourself look so desperate. - What a quick-witted man.
- So desperate. - Italians are like that.
- What does she like about Aureilien. - What quality?
- I think she finds him quite attractive. - That's right.
(He admits it himself.)
You're making yourself look bad. It'll be better to not say anything.
(Zip)
All right. I was wondering why she was coming on the show,
but it turns out she has a new drama...
- on JTBC. - Yes, I'll be starring in a new drama.
- It had a really interesting title. - Yes.
It's called, "My Wife is Having an Affair."
"My Wife is Having an Affair."
- Are you playing the role of the cheating wife? - Yes.
If you watch it, you'll find that the character isn't all that bad.
It has a relatable story. I think viewers will enjoy it.
Who is playing your husband?
It's Lee Sun-kyun.
He's so good at playing the role of an angry person.
He really is. So today's topic for discussion is...
about Ji-hyo.
Personally, I really wanted to...
come and see you having a debate.
I'll have a lot of fun watching you today.
I'll be looking forward to seeing it. Please have an active discussion.
Please read out the agenda for us.
This thought came across my mind while playing the role of a cheating wife.
I think I can forgive my cheating spouse once.
Am I abnormal?
Okay.
Actually, I don't think I'm in the position...
to bring up this topic, because I'm the cheating one in the drama.
By the way, are you usually this serious when you hear out the guest?
(Were we too serious?)
We shouldn't just laugh off your topic.
We were not this serious when we listened to others.
What do you think cheating is, Ji-hyo?
- I think it's lying. - I see.
Love is between two people.
If there's one more person in it,
one of them would lie to exclude or fool the other person. I think that's...
not what you should do for the person you love.
So today's agenda is...
"I think I can forgive my cheating spouse once. Am I abnormal?"
Let's start the debate.
(Debate started)
Please press the button if you think this is abnormal. Press in 1, 2, 3.
Do you think it's abnormal?
(9 think its normal and 2 think its abnormal)
So Alberto, do you think it's abnormal?
It's because most of you don't have girlfriends.
Why do you think so?
(He made everyone upset.)
Even if it's just once, if you cheat,
the relationship will never be the same afterwards.
- He's right. - Once you start, you'll keep cheating on your spouse.
There's a saying in Korea.
There can be a person who has never cheated in his life.
But there can't be a person who cheated only once in his life.
I'm impressed.
Once you cheat, you won't be able to stop.
Even if you forgive your cheating spouse, you wouldn't want to get hurt again.
So you will be preparing to leave your spouse.
Personally, I think marriage is a promise you make at your wedding.
You promise that you'll be with your spouse until you die.
Therefore, we have to try at least once to keep the promise of being together.
- It's not about forgiveness. - They divorce because they don't keep their promise.
- He says it's a promise. - Wait.
Since Italy is a Catholic country,
we consider marriage is a promise with God.
So it is unacceptable for Italians to be unfaithful to their spouses.
Though it's a promise made with God, what if your spouse is cheating?
Personally I don't think I can forgive it.
This is not something you can easily forgive. To be honest,
you need to forgive a number of things while being married.
Why can't you forgive infidelity?
First of all, because I can't just stand it.
- Right. - He wouldn't stand it.
He got the point.
(Bursting into laughter)
- You should look at the stars in the night sky. - No, I don't think that will help.
(Oogi's magic remedy doesn't work out this time.)
Look, the woman you love has gone with another guy.
- Then what would you... - Wait, you just hit the right mark.
It's a woman you love. Even if she cheats, your love for her won't just fade away.
- Of course I love her. - Okay then?
- However, everything... - I know it's hard.
will change from that moment. Because...
- I think the very foundation of marriage is mutual trust. - True.
If you lose trust toward your spouse, everything will...
be lost, too.
- Hold on, Alberto. - The cheating person...
- cannot make an excuse. But there might be a reason for that. - Right.
- I agree. - There might be a reason.
Maybe you have to take responsibility for it, too.
Aurélien, that's just an excuse.
If someone asks "Why did you cheat on me?",
the spouse might say "You didn't treat me properly."
"So I had to cheat on you." That doesn't make sense.
- Because... - Listen.
It's understandable. Maybe he's been too busy with his work.
- That can't justify an affair. - For example your spouse doesn't care about you.
If you feel you're being ignored, you'd like to cheat...
- to gain your spouse's attention back. It's likely. - No.
It was a really childish approach.
I was like that when I was so young, when I was a high school student.
I had a girlfriend, but our relationship was not so good.
If there was a chance to cheat, I might try to cheat.
Did you cheat on your girlfriend when you were young?
It was in my middle school days.
(He spoke about his own childish deeds by mistake.)
- You said you were a high school student. - Didn't you?
- I doubt it. - It was when I was a high school freshman.
- A freshman? - That's when I was a second grader.
Though it is really childish, people sometimes cheat...
when they feel they are not being appreciated.
But after you get married, you shouldn't rely on such measures...
even if you feel ignored or not appreciated.
Does it bother you that they are just debating, without paying any attention to you?
No, actually this is really fun to watch.
I'm a bit surprised that Alberto from Italy pressed the button on this issue.
- Does it have nothing to do with one's ethnicity? - Ethnicity?
- I mean the tendency of the country's culture. - What do you think the tendency is?
When I watched the show, I thought Alberto looked like...
- a romantic guy? - Yes.
It seems she has some misunderstanding. Italian guys...
meet many girlfriends or sometimes cheat before they get married.
But once they get married, they are very conservative.
They are so faithful to their wives and daughters.
It's quite conscientious.
(Faithful to their families after marriage)
I'd like to point out that my statement was conditional.
- I'd forgive my spouse's affair on the condition that it's only once. - Right.
- If it's only once. - Okay.
Personally, I think people can make a mistake.
But if my husband meets the same woman twice,
it's not a mistake, but out of his own will. It's not acceptable.
Then the agenda becomes pretty funny.
I can forgive my cheating spouse 2 or 3 times.
- How generous of her. - It sounds so strange.
- What about 3 or 4 times? - All right.
Today's topic is on "cheating". Let's hear from the representatives on the issue.
In 2013, 40 countries were surveyed on how accepting they are of infidelity.
To the question "Do you think married people who cheat are morally acceptable?",
81 percent of respondents in Korea and 84 percent in the US said that they don't.
Following the two, Canada recorded 76 percent, Mexico was 73 percent,
Japan was 69 percent, followed by Italy, India, and Germany.
French was the most accepting of infidelity, with only 47 percent saying no.
- French people are pretty generous. - Right.
It's a bit unexpected from the US, isn't it?
You're surprised, aren't you? Actually, we are very conservative about infidelity.
Think how the country started.
People with strong religious belief came to the US from the UK.
- They were called Puritans. - I know, Puritans.
It means they are very pure.
So for instance, the incident of Bill Clinton...
stirred a strong controversy since it was such an unprecedented issue.
Everyone was so shocked.
(Bill Clinton's scandal with White House intern Monica Lewinski)
(He admitted that he had an inappropriate relationship with her.)
(I'm solely and completely responsible.)
I think having an affair is more common in Europe.
It seems they don't care that much, because they think it's one's privacy.
I was not really surprised about the US, but was surprised to see Germany's ranking.
- Why? - People usually think Germany as a very strict country.
I didn't expect this result from Germany.
I felt bad to see it.
The ranking is even lower than Italy.
- Do they cheat a lot? - It's because...
Germans have a very practical mindset.
Did you say a practical mindset?
(What does it have to do with it?)
- Is that practical? - One has to make the best use of his time...
by seeing someone else when his spouse is not available.
Then French people must be at the top of efficiency.
We shouldn't place too much trust in this kind of survey.
- Those who are really having an affair wouldn't admit they are cheating. - I agree.
- What do you think of the result? - Personally, I think this is...
kind of misleading because of the word choice.
I don't think the word "morally" goes well with "affair".
They don't sound appropriate from the perspective of French people.
The word "morally" reminds me of a very strict...
- and even religious image. - Look at the chart more carefully.
Take a look at the gray part.
- It reads "Not a moral issue". - It's not a moral issue.
- I see. - So it's irrelevant in this regard.
If that word hadn't been used in the question, the result might have been different.
- Are you saying that if you take "morally" out, - Yes.
- the result will be different? - Yes.
- How different will it be? - I don't know.
(I have no idea.)
Listening to him, I thought of France's President, Francois Hollande.
I heard the people don't criticize him much, because it's his private life.
Right. People think it's his private life and there was a survey that...
about 70 percent of French people...
consider it as a private issue.
- That's not the case with us. - Scandals of...
politicians just come as no surprise to us.
But it's totally different in the US.
If somebody is the president of a country, a very high...
moral standard has to be applied to him, even to his private life.
What really matters is his policy.
It's quite opposite in Japan.
They don't have a private life.
If there's a scandal, all media and press will cover the issue.
If it happens,
you may wonder "Isn't there anything else to report other than the scandal?"
All the media will solely focus on the scandal all day long.
As soon as one becomes a celebrity or pop star,
he or she isn't supposed to have any privacy.
It's inevitable in Japan.
If one of the married couple is engaged in adultery, it's called "derailment".
It means a train is derailed off its track.
- Deviation from the right track. - Yes, infidelity is considered very negatively.
It's not only about one's privacy. What's more important is...
if the society is accepting of it or not.
After a long controversy over whether legal intervention is needed for adultery,
Korea abolished the law on adultery in 2015.
It created a lot of controversies back then.
I wonder if there are laws or punishment on adultery in your countries.
It has been in place in Japan for a very long time.
During the Edo Period, if a man catches his wife in adultery,
he was allowed to kill her on the spot.
The rule was extremely harsh to women in the Edo Period.
It used to be that strict, but after the war,
the idea of gender equality came from the US.
The adultery law was abolished in 1947.
- That was quite a long time ago. - But the law was legislated in 1953 in Korea.
There hasn't been any legal change since then.
Adultery Law in India is very unique.
According to the Indian Law Article 497,
men get punished by law for adultery,
but women who cheated on their husband don't get punished by law.
- Why is that? - So a husband can't sue his wife for adultery,
but he can sue the man who's having an affair with his wife.
So whether a woman is married or not,
- they get protected by the Adultery Law. - It's not applicable.
Husbands can falsely incriminate their wives, claiming they had an affair...
to get a divorce.
I think this law was made to prevent that.
Then the husbands... You are all suddenly looking at me.
(Everyone focuses.)
- Go ahead. - Then,
wouldn't men get angry and commit more crimes out of anger?
Then they will get punished for that, too.
Indian laws are very strict and complicated.
There are so many laws that protect women.
Long time ago,
the ultimate punishment for adultery in Pakistan was the death penalty.
Now the law has changed.
The ultimate punishment for adultery now is a life sentence.
- Life sentence? - What's different in Pakistan is...
that couples hold an engagement ceremony called "Nikah",
which is a traditional Islamic wedding ritual.
Many people do the ritual when they're getting engaged.
So the law applies the moment they get engaged.
- That's what happens. - Yes.
During the 17th century in Switzerland, when people committed adultery,
they could get sentenced to death in Bern and Zurich.
But in 1989,
Adultery Law was repealed in Switzerland.
- It was repealed. - Also, when you get a divorce,
adultery can't be the only reason for the divorce.
You need other reasons to get a divorce. For example,
the relationship with your spouse has to grow worse.
You need additional reasons like that.
In America, Adultery Law varies according to each State.
The US is still a very conservative nation. So as of 2015,
- adultery is still illegal in 20 States. - I see.
In Canada, up until 2005,
committing adultery with the same sex was not illegal.
There was this incident.
A husband had an affair with another man,
but the wife couldn't take any legal actions against him. So they revised the law.
The law now states that bisexuals also cannot commit adultery.
In China, Adultery Law only applies to...
the spouses of soldiers in active service.
Knowing that the person is the spouse of a soldier,
if you live with that person or get married to the person,
you can be sentenced up to three years' imprisonment.
- Why is that? - Soldiers are the ones who protect our country.
You can't go and lure the spouse of a soldier.
I see.
- Military men protect the country. - Yes.
There are affairs that caught the attention of the public in each country.
Can you tell us about famous affairs in your country?
- As for France, the Presidents... - Yes.
Among French politicians, Jacques Chirac...
who is the former president of our country is famous for his scandals.
Even during his presidency,
he made a confession that he has loved many women discreetly.
- He did? - Yes.
He had a nickname given by his secret lovers.
- What is it? - Mr. Three Minutes, Shower Included.
Oh.
- That's humiliating. - Gosh.
The shower is included.
I don't think he's very considerate of others.
- Considerate? - Maybe he takes showers quickly.
- No way. - Sarkozy is famous too, right?
Sarkozy got married a few times.
Also, he had a child...
with all his ex-wives.
- So they have different mothers? - But we don't consider that as a bad thing.
(They think remarriage is a person's privacy.)
Not long ago, there was a shocking scandal in the States.
Actually, a French person was involved in this scandal.
His name is Dominique Strauss-Kahn,
who was the former managing director of the International Monetary Fund.
He came to New York as a part of his business trip. He stayed in this hotel room.
A maid came into his room, and according to what she said,
he was completely naked waiting for her to come in.
The maid said he was attempting to sexually assault her.
It was also very dramatic, too. He was in the airplane to go back to France.
But the police came in all of a sudden and arrested him.
It was very dramatic. As a politician,
he went to swapping clubs.
He was a promiscuous man.
If he were an American politician,
his behavior would never be accepted.
- It could end his political career. - It was understandable since he is a French.
Was the French public okay with this scandal?
There are two problems here.
The first problem was that the French public was shocked...
because it was a sex crime. He was a leading presidential candidate,
who was even more popular than Hollande,
but the scandal broke out.
The second problem was that...
the politicians were very close to the reporters. So they tried to cover it up.
They didn't write articles about it.
Yes, the press tried to cover it up.
(Many media outlets didn't report this scandal.)
In 2008, a vice governor in India...
was at the center of attention because of his affair.
Actually, he was a Hindu.
After the scandal broke out, he changed his religion to Islam...
in order to avoid legal punishment.
In India, polygamy is allowed for Muslims.
He changed his religion, and it caused a stir.
There's a former Mexican President.
His name is Lopez Portillo.
He agreed to have...
an open relationship with the first lady.
Later, people found out that he had three different lovers.
- Yes. - He also had 12 partners.
He was the President of Mexico, but he was called as Mexico's Casanova.
A former president's nickname was Mexico's Casanova.
- Right. - There is a famous Casanova in Pakistan.
He has served as a minister twice.
He is 65 years old,
but he is still not married.
He invites pretty celebrities and throws parties for them.
So people call his house "Red Palace". That's what people say.
People call his house "Red Palace".
I was really shocked by a scandal in Japan.
I was also really shocked. He's the author of the best seller, "No One's Perfect".
His name is Ototake Hirotada.
He was handicapped with congenital absence of limbs.
- He gave us a lot of hope through his book. - His book was amazing.
(His book gave hope to many people.)
(Out of 6.9 billion people in this world, there's no one like you.)
(You should consider yourself as a precious being.)
He was a candidate from the Liberal Democrats Party.
House of Councilors election was about to take place.
This March, his secret affair with another woman became known to the public.
He had affairs with five different ladies.
Even his wife apologized to the public,
- saying part of it was her fault. - She did?
- Yes, but they got divorced. - Of course.
- Many people were disappointed by his behavior. - Yes.
- Media outlets in Korea reported this incident, too. - I was shocked.
A politician in America also had an affair with an author.
There's a former CIA director, David Petraeus.
He had an affair with the writer who was writing his autobiography.
They spent much time together, talking about the book.
- They even went on a business trip together. - I see.
So they ended up having an affair.
During trials, they checked through her emails,
and they found out that confidential information...
was also passed to the writer who was having an affair with him.
- Did Goethe have an affair, too? - Yes.
Many people don't know about this,
- but he's the face of German literature. - He is.
He used to have more than 10 secret lovers.
He was from a noble family.
But among the ladies he had affairs with, there were noblewomen...
and ladies from poor families.
Some were even married women.
- He dated all sorts of women. - He dated them at the same time?
No, not at the same time.
We learn about his literary contribution at school.
We don't learn about his private life.
There's this famous man in Canada. His nickname is Mystery.
- He is a pickup artist. - I see.
He was the protagonist of a famous book released in 2004.
The title of the book is "The Game". It basically describes how to pick up girls.
- I read the book, and it was fun to read. - It is.
The book was so popular, and he became a celebrity.
He studied girls and exchanged information with his friends.
- Then he went to clubs and put it to the test. - He did?
To attract women's attention,
he wore heels and a hat to make himself look taller.
I think he has mental problems.
- It only happens in Canada. - Yes.
- In Italy... - A guy like him is not popular in Italy.
He created a reality show in the States.
The 12 contestants are tutored by him to be pickup artists.
They send the contestants to clubs and see who kisses a girl first,
or who ends up getting the most phone numbers.
There's a famous Casanova in Switzerland.
His name is Helg Sgarbi.
This man had an affair with Susanne Klatten...
who was the BMW heiress.
Sgarbi lied that he had a car accident...
and asked her if she could give him 1,400 500-euro bills.
He kept threatening her in order to get money from her.
In the end, she came clean about her affair...
to her husband. Then she filed a report with the police.
After the investigation,
they found out that Sgarbi had many affairs with other women.
- He collected 10 million euros from the women he seduced. - He's a con man.
- Ten million euros? - Yes.
What surprised me the most was his photo.
I didn't think he was very handsome.
- I don't understand why they fell for him. - He looks a bit like Superman.
He's not really handsome for a gigolo.
He looks a bit like Guillaume.
(Something is similar.)
- Guillaume is popular, too. - I'm a lot chubbier.
- I don't look like him.
There are a few common sayings regarding playboys in Korea.
They say a man with a big nose is a cheater.
There was also a saying that someone with one eye double eye-lid is a player.
There was also something about the location of the hair whorl.
They said having two hair whorls means they'll have two marriages.
These things gave me a lot of trouble when I was a kid.
I have two hair whorls.
- You have two hair whorls? - They have the same saying in India.
- We do, too. - Me, too.
- I have two hair whorls. - Me, too.
- You have two? - Aureilien, did you say you have five?
- Five? - No, two.
- That'll make him lose his hair. - Five hair whorls?
Five hair whorls?
(It seems like he might have five.)
(Aureilien has two hair whorls.)
A website in Germany found...
in their research,
that men with beards have a higher probability of cheating.
- Really? - There's a website that stated those findings.
Women have a genetic disposition towards...
men who will protect them.
That's why women find...
men with beards...
to be more attractive.
Also, when you read viewer comments on this show,
people say Alex is very good looking.
On the other hand, people say Aureilien has a sexy image.
(Did you all hear that?)
In various countries,
hair is associated with sexual attraction.
In Korea, men with a lot of hair are considered...
an alpha male.
In Korea, it really depends on the person.
There are still a lot of women who like men with a lot of hair.
Does your sister also like Aureilien because of his sex appeal?
I don't know if I should say this,
but she's 30 years old...
and she thinks he's like a puppy.
- She thinks he's like a puppy? - A puppy!
- She says he's like a puppy. - She wants to give him a treat.
Kind of like a bishon frise...
Many people with a lot of facial hair...
would relate to this problem.
It's really hard.
- It could get really hot. - Do mosquitoes really get trapped in the hair?
That's what happened to me. I have a lot of hair on my shin...
and a big mosquito got trapped...
inside my hair and couldn't get out.
If it could only straighten its beak it would pierce the skin,
but he was entangled in my hair like this. That's when I flicked it.
- It was entangled. - It's like a spider's web.
It's like a trap.
There was a study done at Oxford University that stated...
the shorter the right index finger...
is to the ring finger,
there's a higher chance the person would be a cheater.
That's because this is related to testosterone, right?
- Yes. - Because of the testosterone.
Research done at Geneva University in Switzerland...
stated that the longer the ring finger,
there's a higher chance the person is be good looking.
- Mine is super long. - If the ring finger is longer...
the person would have more symmetrical features.
The ring finger needs to be longer?
His looks really long, even from here.
- Don't most people have a longer ring finger? - Aureilien is hiding his hands.
- Aureilien, let's see your hands. - Let's pass this one.
Let's pass this one.
What if he has the longest of all of us.
Keep your hands straight.
- It's time to check everybody's hands. - What?
His index finger is longer.
The index finger is slightly...
(The index finger is slightly longer.)
You should pull the index finger out.
You also want to check something else.
Their astrological sign.
- The star sign. - Sagittarius?
- Sagittarius? - Yes, Sagittarius are known to cheat.
- That's a bit off. - I'm an Aries, so I'm okay.
It looks like he's trying to make...
himself look like the non-cheating type.
In Chinese physiognomy,
men who cheat are known to have...
long eyebrows and long eyelashes.
Also, they have curly hair. Most importantly,
they are known to have a dot in the white part of the eye.
- I remember hearing something like that. - Me, too.
There are a lot of funny stories...
about people having an affair.
For example, if a man comes home...
and notices a lot of bread in the house.
Then, it's a reason for suspicion.
- An affair with the baker? - That's nonsense.
If there's a lot of meat in the fridge,
- That means the wife is having an affair with the butcher? - Right.
Or, if something keeps getting broken around the house.
The repair man?
What's there to be suspicious of about the repair man?
- There are a lot of people like that. - I heard stories like that a lot.
What's the story about the mailman?
In Italy, there's a saying,
"Il postino suona sempre due volte."
"The mailman always..."
"rings the doorbell twice."
- Why? - That's in order...
to check if the husband is home or not.
Seriously?
- To have an affair with the mailman? - Right.
That's because the mailman goes to all the houses.
Also, everyone in the community knows each other.
- That's so strange. - If he rings twice and notices the man's not home,
the woman would leave the house to meet with the mailman.
There's something like that in Japan with the package delivery man.
That's more modern.
- Package delivery is more recent. - Really?
That's because the delivery man...
has a set course in his respective region.
- That's why he goes to the same place every time. - They know each other.
That's why things like that happen during the day.
What are you saying happens during the day?
When the husband isn't home, the delivery man comes to the house...
- and have an affair. - Oh my!
This is from a drama in the US.
It's not what really happened, but...
I'm sure you've seen dramas like "The Desperate Housewives".
In these dramas, there's always a young man...
mowing the lawn in front of the house.
They're all very masculine, too.
- They're usually shirtless too. - They're scantily clad.
They're taking out the leaves.
In India, there are a lot of stories about women having an affair with the milk man.
In Korea, when milk is delivered, it's placed in front of the door.
In India, the milkman directly pours the milk into a jar.
The wives have to meet the milkman to get the milk.
In Mexico, the day on which...
women cheat the most...
is February 15th, according to some research.
Isn't that after Valentines Days?
That's because...
February 14th is Valentines Day.
On that day, women have a lot of expectations...
for their boyfriends,
but the men are unable to meet their expectations.
- They become disappointed. - They are.
The very next day, on February 15th,
they start finding a better man.
There was some interesting research from Oklahoma University.
Happy couples who...
watch pornography together...
have twice the greater probability of getting a divorce.
Do they compare each other?
If the couple is already happy,
- and they start to watch pornography together... - Because they're so comparable?
The results of the research show that the couple has a higher chance...
of getting a divorce.
You shouldn't watch porn together. Watch it separately.
- Really? - I wonder why that is.
(That's interesting.)
In Japan, people have very strict attitude towards women who cheat,
- but there are more men who kill themselves. - Really?
Is that after their wives cheat on them?
They kill themselves...
- from the guilt of having cheated. - From the guilt?
Right. They kill themselves because of that.
- They do the deed and they kill themselves? - Right.
- Why do it, then? - It's because of...
- a sense of responsibility. - It's the responsibility.
- Also, there are various factors, - It's leads to failure.
like bankruptcy...
and failing his wife.
The men become riddled with all the consequences, with nowhere else to go.
That's why they end up killing themselves.
These days, there are many new technologies related to cheating.
- Really? - What is that?
In Spain, there's a company...
that made a smart mattress.
It's an intelligent mattress?
Well...
It's equipped with a sensor.
Whenever the sensor detects a strange movement...
on the mattress,
it sends a text message to your phone.
- It's sent to an app? - What kind of strange movement?
The sensor in the mattress,
probably wouldn't detect a child bouncing on the bed.
That wouldn't count,
but if there's a special...
(A special kind of...)
What's that?
It could be the movements of someone with bad sleeping habits.
Yes, that's why the sensor...
even has the ability to analyze the movements.
- It analyzes the movements. - On the other hand,
there's an app...
that helps people have an affair.
It helps people find alibis.
- It's an alibi finder app. - A part-time job finder?
- Alibi finder. - Alibi finder.
They would still have to find a part-time job to get the money to...
There are already so many apps for finding part-time jobs.
I was so surprised to hear there's an app for part-time jobs.
If someone wants to have an affair,
they would set the time and date...
and the app would send a text from their boss.
Then, they'd say, "Honey, I'm sorry. I have to go to work."
- It's the perfect alibi. - But it's actually a text from the app.
(It secures an alibi for the cheater.)
In China, there's a business that helps mistresses find a new life.
It's called the Weiching Emotional Therapy Clinic.
It helps people fix broken marriages and treats couples...
who have been emotionally wounded from affairs.
The agent would...
help the mistress...
find a job in another city...
far away and naturally...
resolve their feelings.
What a strange business.
They help get rid of mistresses.
It's something we like to think about, but if,
Song Ji-hyo, you get a feeling that your husband is cheating on you,
You get a feeling that your husband is cheating.
- Yes. - What a reaction.
It's like an old drama.
(What?)
Like a scene from a morning drama.
What would you do if you get a feeling that your husband is cheating?
If I have a suspicion and a strange feeling,
but don't have any evidence,
I wouldn't think too much about...
trying to find out what he's up to.
Instead,
I would ask him directly.
Imagine he's your husband.
- I'm sorry. - He's home.
(Se-yoon comes home late after meeting his mistress.)
- Where were you? - The dinner got delayed.
Dinner with who?
(Chuckle)
(The chuckle gave it away.)
What's that about?
(He's already caught.)
I was with Alberto.
(Alberto is his alibi.)
- You were with Alberto? - Yes.
You were with Nick yesterday. The day before you were with Guillaume.
Today, it's Alberto?
Yes. I'm trying to study English.
(That's commendable.)
(He learns English from Europeans rather than the American.)
You've been acting suspicious lately.
- Why? - I want to see your phone.
(Wow)
- You don't mind if I look at your phone, do you? - That's good.
You give her your phone, you're a dead man.
(The inner voice gives a warning.)
- Do you mind? - It's fine.
(No way!)
(Stomp! Stomp! I don't want to die!)
I was going to change the model anyway.
(I wanted to change it anyways.)
- Then will you ask to see his cellphone? - I will...
not look at it in secret. I'll just ask him for it and look at it in front of him.
- I think saying it out loud is the better. - But if your boyfriend...
- or husband says, "Why? It's my private life?" - Then I'd be suspicious.
Another husband has appeared.
I'm the second husband.
- He clearly didn't give the phone. - Originally,
when we married, we established you'll look at your phone and I'll look at mine.
- We said we'll respect that. - But I am suspicious about you right now.
I said I haven't done anything. Why won't you believe me? Why ask for my phone?
- It's because you keep doing suspicious things. - What are they?
Look at your own actions.
(You can't tell? Look at your own actions.)
I'm a rotten guy.
(He repents. I'm a rotten guy.)
There are also men who are like this.
They say, "Okay, check my cellphone."
"But just know that we're breaking up the moment you do."
(He's a macho guy from a macho country.)
It's because...
Wait a moment.
- There are men like that. - There really are men like that sometimes.
- The moment you check, it means you're suspicious of me. - Right.
We're breaking up if you check.
So we'll vote on this now.
If you suspect that your spouse is cheating on you,
you would check his or her phone, even in secret.
No, I would never check his or her phone.
You would look at the phone to check. Raise your hand in 1, 2, 3.
- So it's to look at it secretly? - It's to look at it in secret.
I don't think I will look at my spouse's cellphone.
I think I would just talk to her about it.
But actually,
when you live with the same person for years,
you can immediately tell from just the mood.
You can tell right away.
As soon as you go home, you can tell from just the mood.
So if someone is cheating, I think she'd be immediately caught.
- There's no need to look at the cellphone. - Right, you don't need to.
What about your spouse looking at it after asking you like Ji-hyo?
If my wife wants to see it, I'd let her.
- You'd let her see it? - Of course.
I looked at it once before I married. Now, I don't.
I looked at it once but was severely scolded for it.
So I don't look at it anymore.
For me, I'd want to talk about it,
but I feel like the tension would be worse if I talk about it.
Rather than me being stressed on my own, I'd just secretly look at it once.
- What about your sense of self-pride? - Right, your sense of self-pride.
- Wouldn't it be injured? - Isn't there "Secret Garden"?
- I mean... - Actually,
when we get married, to the very end...
we've vowed to live lives together.
I think there's no such thing as privacy between spouses.
Personally, I said I wouldn't look at the phone at all.
I feel like I'd feel guilty.
Let's say I secretly looked at the phone but there was nothing.
But actually,
if my girlfriend had been cheating on me, I don't really want to know.
I think my sense of self-pride would be injured.
- It might be. - That's why,
if my girlfriend really hands me her phone,
- I wouldn't look at it. - I'd be the same.
- She already... - I should have given it to her before!
Why did you break it?
Breaking it was the worst decision.
(Thank goodness. I survived it.)
We keep talking about the sense of self-pride, right?
But I understand what Zahid said.
It's not important whether you have a sense of self-pride.
It's how in this situation, I'm about to go crazy.
- It's how I can't bear it anymore. - Right, it'd be so stressful.
It's not important whether I have a sense of self-pride or not.
I'd just look at it once in secret...
for a sense of peace in my head. That's why I'd do it.
- But if you're about to go crazy... - That's why.
The fact that you're about to go crazy...
means that you can't trust your girlfriend at all.
- Right. - If you can't trust her at all,
it means there isn't must love between you two.
- Then you can just breakup with her. - No, he's going crazy because he loves her.
What do you mean he's going crazy because he loves her?
- It's how much they lack in trust. - They are really clashing today.
(They are really clashing today.)
- Why would you go crazy if you didn't care about the person? - "Wang Xin Nik".
- "Wang Xin Nik"! - You're getting suspicious because you love her so much.
- If you love someone so much, you should trust her. - It's be so stressful.
- There has to be trust. - Right, there should be.
Let's just say you have a friend who's a hacker.
- Ask him for a favor. - What is this?
- Erase every data? - Why would you hire a hacker just for that?
If you have clear evidence, then you can go to your wife...
and say, "What is this?"
Then household problems would get leaked out.
Unless that friend is someone who keeps his mouth shut,
the whole world would learn about them.
- Household problems would leak out from hacking? - It's also...
This is why I think it's pointless to look at someone's phone.
I've done that once.
If you look and there's nothing, you feel really satisfied and secure, right?
- You want to look at it again if it rings only three hours later. - Right.
It's like a Pandora's box.
- Then you keep wanting to look at it. - You didn't need to know it.
- Exactly. - Phones are really high-tech nowadays, right?
You can only open it through fingerprint scanning.
Nowadays, you have to give up even if you want to look.
- You can't see it even if you want to. - That's why men nowadays...
- use their foot, elbow, and lip. - They set it up with those.
- They really set it up like that. - Right, they use those.
- What do you mean? - They use those...
because wives open it with their husbands' fingers while they're sleeping.
They'd take their husbands' hands and open the phones.
That's why they use these different body parts.
- How are you going to do that when he's asleep? - It also works with lips.
They actually even do it with their toes.
I have a question.
Ji-hyo,
what if your husband had just one affair?
Would you want to know about it, if he did?
I do want to know about it, but I think I'd be hurt if I do.
I'll just trust him up to the point he spills. With the rest,
I'd just not think about it.
When there are too many fights between spouses,
it often ultimately ends with divorce.
Are there any divorce cases that tell us about the country's unique culture?
In Japan, there's something called an earthquake divorce.
- This came to be after the earthquake at eastern part of Japan. - He means it.
When a crisis occurs,
you can see your husband or wife's true instinctive nature.
- For instance, because it's a dangerous, - It's in the moment of crisis.
you can see how each other behaves.
So after seeing the spouse's behavior,
the other spouse becomes very disappointed.
So they get a divorce.
- Such as when a spouse is only after saving his own life, right? - Exactly.
- So there was an earthquake in Korea recently, right? - Yes.
It made me think many people...
must have gotten disappointed.
- This time as well? - It's a very scary thing.
People who are in long-distance relationships...
ask, "Why didn't you send me a text message?"
"I was so scared." Quite a few people broke up from that.
- They ask why they didn't text when there was an earthquake in Korea. - Right.
Is the term "December Divorce"...
- also used in Japan? - Yes, that term was created in Japan.
Like Korea, there are many conflicts for...
mother-in-law and daughter-in-law, right?
- Right. - In order to solve that,
there's something called a "Postmortem divorce".
This is what it is.
- It's to divorce after the husband passes away. - Why?
It's because even after the husband dies,
your relationship with your mother-in-law still continues.
I see, it's to end that.
So to legally end that relationship,
they apply for divorce.
- It's really scary. - That is so cold-hearted.
- It's cold-hearted. - But how much must the daughter-in-law hate it?
- This conflict only exists in Asia. - That's right.
In Pakistan, because of in-laws...
and particularly because of the mother-in-law and sister-in-law,
many people have affairs.
But it's not only due to the husband's mother...
but also the wife's mother. There are many fights from that.
"When you get married into that household,"
"you must become its master." The mothers teach this to their daughters.
That's why there are many fights.
My aunt is Pakistan's representative...
case of this.
My aunt was such a strong woman...
and fought with her daughter's husband's household so much...
that she made her 2 daughters and 1 son get divorces.
- It's because they fought so much. - She was too nosy.
There were many cases like that.
Your aunt doesn't watch Non Summit Meeting, right?
She doesn't.
(Thank goodness.)
This is the result of a research conducted at University of Washington.
The research was about the period of highest divorce rates.
They found it was March.
- It's March? Why? - This was the reason.
End of the year is a very important season for us, right?
Christmas is just as important as Chuseok in Korea.
Couples spend it together.
There are fights during then.
But even if they fought, since it'll be New Year's,
they say let's give ourselves one more chance since it's a new year.
But because it still doesn't work out even in the new year,
they prepare the documents, which goes on until March.
Number of international marriages is increasing in Switzerland nowadays.
A major reason why married couples fight...
is from their cultures clashing.
Many wives from overseas...
don't report it to the police even if their husbands beat them.
The reason why they don't...
is that they're afraid they'll lose their legal right to live in Switzerland.
There are many cases of this problem.
In Germany, getting a divorce is easy and many people do it.
Because of that, it's very bad for the children.
"Scheidungskind"...
is the word for children who are left after a divorce.
After that term was created, in Germany,
it became very traumatic for the children. That's what I think.
Because getting a divorce is so easy,
even if the parents fight a little bit,
the children get very scared that their parents might get a divorce.
Since all the parents of their school friends got divorced,
they get afraid their own parents might do the same.
The children feel anxious.
That's why even during a divorce,
many children can get depressed. The reason is...
that they believe the parents got a divorce because of them.
- They blame themselves. - In particular, when their parents fight a lot,
they sometimes say it's the children's fault. That makes it worse.
It's because they say things like that.
My parents also got a divorce when I was three years old.
Their relationship became really terrible.
They didn't even call each other.
That's why I almost functioned like a mailman.
If there was a class at school for parent participation,
I'd be told, "Hey, Nik."
"Tell your father that this is coming up."
Then my father would say,
"There's no need for me to know this. Just let your mother know."
It went on like that,
and then I received all the pain from their fights.
It's a huge wound for the children.
Our generation...
has a lot of children from divorced families.
Because their own parents got a divorce,
- they don't have a lot of faith in marriage. - That's true.
In Mexico, there's something called a divorce party now.
In Mexico, now there's a divorce party.
- There's a divorce party? - Yes, divorcees get together and have a party.
But what's most unique about this party is the cake.
As you know, at weddings...
there are white cakes with couple dolls on the top.
It's placed on top very prettily. But at divorce parties,
the cakes are black and the dolls on top...
are fighting or shooting guns at each other.
There's also another corner for this event.
They have to throw away gifts they received from their ex-husband or ex-wife.
Actually, divorce parties are called divorce parties,
but it's to celebrate the freedom they gained through divorce.
There must be new romantic encounters there.
The day to commemorate a marriage is the wedding anniversary, right?
Combining the words "anniversary" and "divorce", they now have "annivorsary".
- "Annivorsary"? - Yes, this word has been created.
There's also another new word which is "STBXH".
It means "Soon To Be Ex Husband".
Or instead of the word "ex-husband",
they take the phrase "was husband"...
- and say "wasband". - "Wasband"!
It's your past husband.
- He's my wasband. - That's correct.
But what's really interesting is that in Korea there are divorce planners.
I see.
- It's to divorce well? - Yes.
Just as people have wedding planners because they've never married before,
they also don't know how to have a divorce because it's their first time.
So they have divorce planners. I learned about that recently.
There's lightning divorce in my country.
It's when newlyweds divorce for trivial reasons.
Those are called lightning divorces.
Since all Chinese people grew up as the only child,
they often marry and divorce in a rush.
- People quite often divorce as soon as they're married. - It's quite a lot.
They're shocked because they don't get along.
In Japan, when newlyweds at the Narita Airport...
separate, it was called a Narita divorce.
But those who have been married for a long time do it, it's Shin Narita divorce.
- It's at the Narita Airport? - Yes. Couples who've been married a long time...
would go on a trip overseas and get a divorce.
When you live together,
there are many kinds of stress, right? But when they travel,
they are together every second, right?
So they'd get really stressed. So when they divorce at the airport,
or right after they come back, it's called a Shin Narita divorce.
They say the overall divorce rates are rising around the world.
What are the major reasons for divorce at your countries?
Also, what is their view of divorce?
In our country, because everyone's an only child,
what's most important is the children's education.
That's why a lot of couples get a divorce from fighting over that.
- That's a little sad. - Originally, when you're going to get a divorce,
there has to be a reason. For instance, it'd be due to cheating.
But nowadays, it's been changed to "no fault divorce".
It's when they can get a divorce if they want without anyone being at fault.
That's why the divorce rate has increased a bit.
- It's because they don't love each other, right? - Yes.
I feel like there's no difference between dating and marrying.
- It's because there's no sense of responsibility. - In Mexico,
the biggest reason why people get a divorce is because of money.
It's easy to accumulate a debt in Mexico because there are many loan programs.
Strangely, if the man has debt at the time he's getting married,
then the likelihood of a divorce is low.
But if the woman has debt when she gets married,
then the likelihood of a divorce doubles.
That's one reason. Another reason is early marriage. That's the word, right?
Right? It's early marriage.
It's when there was pregnancy before they became legal adults...
and so they have no choice but to marry.
The wife has no choice but stay home because of the child.
The husband has no choice but to start earning money.
- Ultimately, the stress becomes too much... - I thought it was a popular phrase.
His phrase is "Has no choice". Don't you wish that was your own?
They have no choice but ultimately get a divorce.
Actually, there's "no fault divorce" in the US,
but the reason is usually money, of course.
In order to avoid the problem of money that could later occur,
- they sign a contract before marriage. - It's a contract.
It exists. In English,
it's called "Prenuptial Agreement".
But like a trending phrase, people cutely say,
"Let's do a prenup!" It's very cute.
- Did you finish signing? - This is before marriage,
and yet it's like they're already calculating about divorce.
- It's like insurance. - But wealthy people...
or Hollywood stars do that a lot.
It's because when they get a divorce,
- and their wealth splits in half, they lose a lot. - Of course.
In Japan, similar to Korea,
divorces most often occur due to mismatch of personalities.
We are very cautious about divorcees.
They are called "X".
This is what it means.
- First part is "X". - Really?
- It's one "X". - Yes, it's if they had one divorce.
- They view divorcees negatively. - That's right.
- They call divorcees an "X". - Why do they call a person "X"?
Because they're embarrassed, there's also a lot of people who hide it.
France is kind of the opposite.
They don't care at all even if you get a divorce.
- Right, it's just between them. - It seems France doesn't care about most things.
So there's that term. For example,
if a female divorcee with children marry a male divorcee with children,
then they're considered this term.
- They're created through remarriage. - It happens often, right?
Yes, it's common.
In India, they do have a prejudice about female divorcees.
It's easier for men to get remarried after a divorce.
But it's really difficult for women.
Maybe that's why, but most women...
endure even if it's hard and don't get a divorce.
That's why divorce rate is quite low in India compared to the rest of the world.
Only 50 years ago, near Genghis river,
there was a village for only widows and female divorcees.
When they got a divorce, they couldn't go back to their parents' house.
Even now, divorce is not easy in India.
People think of it as the last resort.
Ji-hyo, what do you personally think about divorce?
Do you have personal opinions about it?
Since I'm not even married yet,
- it's odd to talk about divorce. - But you're having an affair right now.
- Since the drama has that story... - I haven't yet.
- You haven't, yet? - Yes, not yet. I will soon, though.
(She gives the preview that she'll cheat.)
We'll enjoy watching it.
Personally, I am kind of against divorces.
- It's... - You must stay together no matter what?
not that they must, but after looking through all the options...
they can possibly think of, they should consider divorce.
It's because marriage...
isn't just because the man and woman like each other.
There's family and also children. They have these people around them,
and yet they'd give up all those things just because they don't get along.
They've made too many promises and vows.
- That's true. - So I think you should give your utmost effort to fix it.
- Thank you. - We've discussed many things, but just like getting together,
separating should also be done well. That's how it ends well.
What's the proper etiquette for separation?
When I think about separation,
I think it's very bad etiquette to date someone else right after you brake up.
For instance, if you've dated someone for a very long time but broke up,
- you should wait about a month. - You should wait that much at least.
- Yes. - But think about this.
You broke up with her, but you met "the one" the very next day.
- You've really met her. - How do you wait a month?
But how can you know she's "the one" from a day?
Shouldn't you get to know her first?
The day after a breakup, you meet "the one".
You meet the singer The One.
No, my friend's...
ex-girlfriend in Korea did that.
- Are you talking about yourself? - No, it's not me.
It was my friend's past girlfriend.
It was a friend's friend.
- Oh, it wasn't you? - It sounds like he's talking about himself.
I'm a little different.
- She met another boyfriend on that day. - I think etiquette...
would be to keep each other's secrets and not create rumors.
Don't speak publicly about your sexual activities together.
- You mean talks about your sex together. - Right, you shouldn't talk about that.
I think things you wanted to tell your partner, but didn't say all this time.
It's to say everything and get everything off your chest.
- What'd be an example of that? - Is that really etiquette?
For example, when you get a new boyfriend, please clean.
- What is this? - Don't make other people clean for you.
I've once broken up with a girl because of this issue.
That's how I know it well.
So you should get everything off your chest and say it.
I need to end it well for me to have a new beginning, right?
- Please wash more. - Then aren't you sort of giving advice?
- You're giving advice... - Yes, I'm giving advice.
I think you'll just have one last fight.
- No, I think... - You'd fight...
you'll just never see each other again if you do that.
Yes, we really won't be seeing each other again though.
(He thinks separation is to be firm and say everything you want to.)
Ji-hyo, what do you think is the proper etiquette for separation?
For me, being with someone,
whether it's marriage or dating,
is to have spent a part of each other's time together.
For that time...
to be for others to chat about instead of staying between them is rude.
I think that happens a lot. It's when...
I see people who subtly say things we can figure out.
It's not a good sight to see.
Okay, then.
This was Song Ji-hyo's issue for 121th Non Summit Meeting.
"I think I can forgive my spouse for cheating once. Am I abnormal?"
With this issue, every trouble can only be resolved when you hear from both sides.
Due to that, please bring Lee Sun-kyun who plays your husband in the drama,
- and we'll talk about this again. - He's coming here?
We'll see you in four weeks, Sun-kyun.
(We wish to see you then.)
Let's end it with Ji-hyo saying something to her husband from the drama.
You must be busy filming right now.
I'm sorry for going on an outing by myself.
Let's understand and embrace each other. Let's keep a good relationship.
Thank you, dear.
Ji-hyo, please tell us how you felt about appearing on our show.
I've only seen this on TV,
but I sincerely wanted to observe how you debate each other.
I had so much fun.
I'll see you next time.
I would now like to adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.
Until the day we all become normal...
This is a song that captures Ji-hyo's point of view in the drama.
(Even if I cheat, don't you ever cheat)
(Baby)
(Only look at me)
We adjourn our meeting!
The Canadian government, when foreigners' real estate business...
created disadvantages for the citizens, took action.
In Jeju Island, the land owned by the Chinese costs over a billion dollars.
These problems arose because foreigners could easily buy land.
That makes it difficult to attract investors from overseas.
People who must live there because of their jobs get disadvantages.
I've never once even dreamt about buying an apartment in Korea.
(The conflict is between protecting citizens and attracting investors.)
Even when I'm active as a singer,
I like looking at originator restaurants since I'm an originator.
What is your country an originator for?
- See if it's the same in foreign countries. - Let's end it once and for all.
- It's the well-known curry. - There's curry sausage in Germany.
It's needless for me to even answer to that.
Why is it held in September but called an October Fest?
- That's because it is done in October. - It should be September Fest.
The originator of computers is Italian.
Internet is from the US.
You know the mouse pad? That was invented by a Mexican.
The company that mass-produced for the first time was a Swiss company.
Do you know where viruses were created?
China is the country where soccer originated.
There's "Made in China" hidden behind "Made in Korea".
(It's a war-like night on Monday.)
(Non Summit Meeting airs every Monday night at 10:50pm.)
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